a1gutterman
12-21-2008, 12:27 AM
In another thread, stevespix said:
I don't post often but this subject of tools and such made in China is something I know a little about. I'm a partner in a small tool producing business (name withheld). We were producing our product in the USA for several years which became more and more difficult to do. Here are the facts, for you union guys and democrats you may not want to read any further.
Government regulations, silly epa rules, ADA regulations, Air Quality, the court system and lawyers, regressive tax rates, State of CA tax do you get the picture yet? I can keep going, the people of this country have passed so many anti-business regulations we had to take our product to China to compete with the rest of the worlds market. We simply were forced to go to a more business friendly enviroment. As far as quality our product is as good or better than the one we produced in the USA. Our engineers developed the specs and when production began the manufacturing facility holds to our quality standards. I would much prefer to produce a product in the USA, shipping would be far eaiser and cheaper. Manufacturing facilities in China are state of the art, so don't be fooled that they cannot produce a fine product. The beauracy in this country has killed it's once thriving manufacturing capability and made it too expensive to do business. Unions will not make even small consessions and companys have just come to the conclusion it's eaiser to go overseas to make their product, so where's your job? Sorry to get on my soap box but it's easy to sit back and kibitz about tools and such but when your in business, if you want to stay in business you have to consider all options-- so when this country changes it's anti business enviroment then maybe we can move back and get to business.
Hi Steve,
What you say here about the business environment is quite true. I believe that we have too much government, too many hand outs, knot enough personal responsibility, too many bailouts (for both, financial mistakes and natural disasters), greedy unions and union members, all of which lead to high taxes and high cost of manufacturing US made product. I do understand the reasoning behind the move to China. (Does it have to be China? Why knot Mexico instead?)
Of course a product CAN be made equally well in China as it was in the US, but many products shipped here from China ARE KNOT equal in quality. On top of that, even with the low cost of Chinese labor, the low cost of manufacturing due to less taxes, lower cost of materials, little or no concern for the safety of workers (knot true for every industry), little or no concern for the environment, little or no concern for lead used in products (especially product intended for kids), the American companies that sell Chinese made product here in the US, at those lower costs, still charge the high prices that they were charging when their products were made here. So, there is the bone of contention that unions have with companies: Greed. But companies are knot alone in their greed.
The average Union auto worker, employed by the big three is earning(?) $80 per hour, including benefits. Foriegn car manufacturers, building cars here in the US with Union workers, are paying much less then that. Aren't their employees in the same union??? It is no wonder the US manufacturers can knot compete. The unions are cutting their own throats. I can see why many in the US congress want the big three to declare bankruptcy and renegotiate their union contracts. What assembly line worker really deserves $640 per day in wages and benefits? How can a person earning minimum wage or even $20 per hour afford to buy a car that is made by someone earning(?) $80 per hour? It is all about greed. Both sides. It is killing this country.
Yes, I understand your reasoning. I just do knot like it. But there is another reason that we should knot buy product that is made in China: They are our political enemy. The Chinese government is using US dollars to build their armed forces. They will become the domineering military might in the world, and they will do it soon, and they will do it with our money.
I will continue to go out of my way to purchase product made in the US. I am knot always successful. There is much product that is no longer made here. But I do the best that I can.
I don't post often but this subject of tools and such made in China is something I know a little about. I'm a partner in a small tool producing business (name withheld). We were producing our product in the USA for several years which became more and more difficult to do. Here are the facts, for you union guys and democrats you may not want to read any further.
Government regulations, silly epa rules, ADA regulations, Air Quality, the court system and lawyers, regressive tax rates, State of CA tax do you get the picture yet? I can keep going, the people of this country have passed so many anti-business regulations we had to take our product to China to compete with the rest of the worlds market. We simply were forced to go to a more business friendly enviroment. As far as quality our product is as good or better than the one we produced in the USA. Our engineers developed the specs and when production began the manufacturing facility holds to our quality standards. I would much prefer to produce a product in the USA, shipping would be far eaiser and cheaper. Manufacturing facilities in China are state of the art, so don't be fooled that they cannot produce a fine product. The beauracy in this country has killed it's once thriving manufacturing capability and made it too expensive to do business. Unions will not make even small consessions and companys have just come to the conclusion it's eaiser to go overseas to make their product, so where's your job? Sorry to get on my soap box but it's easy to sit back and kibitz about tools and such but when your in business, if you want to stay in business you have to consider all options-- so when this country changes it's anti business enviroment then maybe we can move back and get to business.
Hi Steve,
What you say here about the business environment is quite true. I believe that we have too much government, too many hand outs, knot enough personal responsibility, too many bailouts (for both, financial mistakes and natural disasters), greedy unions and union members, all of which lead to high taxes and high cost of manufacturing US made product. I do understand the reasoning behind the move to China. (Does it have to be China? Why knot Mexico instead?)
Of course a product CAN be made equally well in China as it was in the US, but many products shipped here from China ARE KNOT equal in quality. On top of that, even with the low cost of Chinese labor, the low cost of manufacturing due to less taxes, lower cost of materials, little or no concern for the safety of workers (knot true for every industry), little or no concern for the environment, little or no concern for lead used in products (especially product intended for kids), the American companies that sell Chinese made product here in the US, at those lower costs, still charge the high prices that they were charging when their products were made here. So, there is the bone of contention that unions have with companies: Greed. But companies are knot alone in their greed.
The average Union auto worker, employed by the big three is earning(?) $80 per hour, including benefits. Foriegn car manufacturers, building cars here in the US with Union workers, are paying much less then that. Aren't their employees in the same union??? It is no wonder the US manufacturers can knot compete. The unions are cutting their own throats. I can see why many in the US congress want the big three to declare bankruptcy and renegotiate their union contracts. What assembly line worker really deserves $640 per day in wages and benefits? How can a person earning minimum wage or even $20 per hour afford to buy a car that is made by someone earning(?) $80 per hour? It is all about greed. Both sides. It is killing this country.
Yes, I understand your reasoning. I just do knot like it. But there is another reason that we should knot buy product that is made in China: They are our political enemy. The Chinese government is using US dollars to build their armed forces. They will become the domineering military might in the world, and they will do it soon, and they will do it with our money.
I will continue to go out of my way to purchase product made in the US. I am knot always successful. There is much product that is no longer made here. But I do the best that I can.