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Gene Howe
06-16-2009, 09:41 AM
Before retiring several years ago I worked as an educational consultant. In that capacity, I had the opportunity to visit numerous school systems throughout the Southwest. Although my job had nothing to do with wood tech. curriculum, I always managed to be able to spend some time in those classes. Most were taught by dedicated and knowledgeable teachers. However, in talking to these guys and inspecting their equipment, it seemed apparent that these men had little support from their school boards. Yet, the classes were full of students eager to learn the craft. Most of the teachers were of the opinion that when they retired the classes would no longer be offered. It seems that not enough universities were offering degrees in that area of education. No degrees equals no teachers equals no classes. School boards realize this and, money being tight, they fund other classes. It's shortsighted IMO but, it makes good sense from their standpoint.

On the other hand, there are a few excellent programs that remain vibrant, with good financial support. These programs all offered CAD/CAM, metal fabrication, HVAC, auto, machine shop, and woodworking. Those school systems actively recruit from the few universities that continue to offer the requisite degrees. These school systems have made very heavy investments, as you can imagine. At least one of the teachers I met has procured numerous grants from private sources. He said to me that it was just a matter of self preservation and job security. However, his students' enthusiasm and outstanding product belie his comments. He is one great teacher.

The point of this ramble is to hopefully spark a discussion and, maybe some action by folks to heighten awareness of the need for academic instruction in the various trades. America needs it tradesmen, now more than ever. I truly believe that we have an obligation to our kids to provide them with the opportunity to create with their hands and hearts as well as with their heads.

To borrow a line from a TV talking head "What say you?"

Gene

P.S. I'll be posting this in other lists and forums, too.

dlbristol
06-16-2009, 11:32 AM
After 35 years as a teacher, coach and HS principal, I have seen this happen time and time again. It happened to me while I was principal, so I have some empathy. There are all kinds of pressures on schools today that take them in the direction of moving away from the traditional "shop" classes.
There was a short discussion on another thread about "does anyone do woodworking anymore" . I can't find it now, but perhaps it is best to do a new one. I would like to discuss some of these issues as well.
The statistics for the US work force seem to show that only about 20-25% of the jobs in the us require college degrees, and many of the higher paying jobs require 2-3 year vocational training. Yet the driving force in most schools is to focus on college prep.
You also hit the nail on the head about teachers. They are difficult to find, hire and retain. For many reasons, these programs are much more dependent on the teacher that are other programs.Making Ag programs, robotics and other "trade" programs sustainable is very teacher centered.
The Job Corps programs have some good trade programs that include carpentry, but not cabinet making ect. There are some of the community colleges have programs.
I might suggest that we do some talking to people we know about how they got involved in woodworking and continue to see what comes up. I have a former student who makes a good living making high end furniture. He will tell you that the woodworking is not the hard part. His success is as tightly tied to the ability to market his work. I look forward to the ideas.

baddlad
06-16-2009, 02:56 PM
After 35 years as a teacher, coach and HS principal, I have seen this happen time and time again. It happened to me while I was principal, so I have some empathy. There are all kinds of pressures on schools today that take them in the direction of moving away from the traditional "shop" classes.
There was a short discussion on another thread about "does anyone do woodworking anymore" . I can't find it now, but perhaps it is best to do a new one. I would like to discuss some of these issues as well.
The statistics for the US work force seem to show that only about 20-25% of the jobs in the us require college degrees, and many of the higher paying jobs require 2-3 year vocational training. Yet the driving force in most schools is to focus on college prep.
You also hit the nail on the head about teachers. They are difficult to find, hire and retain. For many reasons, these programs are much more dependent on the teacher that are other programs.Making Ag programs, robotics and other "trade" programs sustainable is very teacher centered.
The Job Corps programs have some good trade programs that include carpentry, but not cabinet making ect. There are some of the community colleges have programs.
I might suggest that we do some talking to people we know about how they got involved in woodworking and continue to see what comes up. I have a former student who makes a good living making high end furniture. He will tell you that the woodworking is not the hard part. His success is as tightly tied to the ability to market his work. I look forward to the ideas.


Here is the Link to that discussion;

http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=3669