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heathicus
03-12-2010, 11:36 AM
I sorta doubt you got this exactly right there Ed (in Tampa).

Add-ons occupy space whether they are running or not but do they consume time even when you have not invoked them.

Example: I have HP Image Zone loaded on my machine but I don't invoke it unless I want photo images. Do you believe that slows my machine?

I look at Task Manager and see no evidence of that....0 cpu time unless I am doing pictures.

It still has an impact, Dusty.

A lot of programs, especially big ones like Microsoft Office, and media viewers like Quicktime, Flash, etc, will, at minimum, run a "quick launch" type program in the background at all times. This pre-loads some of the core elements of the program so that, when you open that program, it loads faster (because it's already half loaded). I'm not familiar with HP Image Zone, but it wouldn't surprise me if it runs something in the background that is constantly checking for your camera to be connected. If you look at the Task Manager, even if an application is using 0 CPU time, it is still taking memory. The more memory being consumed, the more the swap file has to be used. (Simply put, the swap file is hard drive spaced used as if it were RAM, but the hard drive is a lot slower than RAM).

But even ignoring that, simply using your computer will slow it down over time. When you first set up a computer, format the hard drive, do a fresh install of Windows and your applications, all of the files are physically located on the hard drive in an orderly and efficient fashion. As you use the computer, create files, delete files, move files, rename files, etc., that orderly and efficient layout of files on the hard drive goes kaput and your hard drive becomes "fragmented." The head on the hard drive has to travel to multiple places, far apart on the hard drive just to load one file. Defragging the hard drive helps, but the defragger built into Windows, while much better than nothing, is not that great.

Then there's the Windows Registry. The Registry is a big database that stores configuration settings for Windows, your hardware, and applications. As you install programs, they all add a bunch of stuff to the registry which makes it bloated and take longer to load on startup. And when you uninstall a program, seldom does the uninstall also clean all its crap out of the registry.

heathicus
03-12-2010, 11:54 AM
I sorta doubt you got this exactly right there Ed (in Tampa).

Add-ons occupy space whether they are running or not but do they consume time even when you have not invoked them.

Example: I have HP Image Zone loaded on my machine but I don't invoke it unless I want photo images. Do you believe that slows my machine?

I look at Task Manager and see no evidence of that....0 cpu time unless I am doing pictures.

It still has an impact, Dusty.

A lot of programs, especially big ones like Microsoft Office, and media viewers like Quicktime, Flash, etc, will, at minimum, run a "quick launch" type program in the background at all times. This pre-loads some of the core elements of the program so that, when you open that program, it loads faster (because it's already half loaded). I'm not familiar with HP Image Zone, but it wouldn't surprise me if it runs something in the background that is constantly checking for your camera to be connected. If you look at the Task Manager, even if an application is using 0 CPU time, it is still taking memory. The more memory being consumed, the more the swap file has to be used. (Simply put, the swap file is hard drive spaced used as if it were RAM, but the hard drive is a lot slower than RAM).

But even ignoring that, simply using your computer will slow it down over time. When you first set up a computer, format the hard drive, do a fresh install of Windows and your applications, all of the files are physically located on the hard drive in an orderly and efficient fashion. As you use the computer, create files, delete files, move files, rename files, etc., that orderly and efficient layout of files on the hard drive goes kaput and your hard drive becomes "fragmented." The head on the hard drive has to travel to multiple places, far apart on the hard drive just to load one file. Defragging the hard drive helps, but the defragger built into Windows, while much better than nothing, is not that great.

Then there's the Windows Registry. The Registry is a big database that stores configuration settings for Windows, your hardware, and applications. As you install programs, they all add a bunch of stuff to the registry which makes it bloated and take longer to load on startup. And when you uninstall a program, seldom does the uninstall also clean all its crap out of the registry.

robinson46176
03-12-2010, 04:34 PM
I kind of like using stuff on-line (which I always said I would never do). I would not put my bank records or tax records on there but I use Google documents for a lot of my writing which quickly becomes public anyway so why bother to hide it. One reason I like the Google documents is that with my little wifi device (or the USB device I used to have) I can work in the office area, the shop or even toss a laptop in the cab of the truck and work from out on the big back hill where I can see for miles... No matter where I am at I can pull up any one of a dozen projects and write or edit and I am always working on the same copy. I could of course do that with a thumb drive but I like having the on-line resources right there for instant researching. Some more important stuff I do and store on my own drives. I will not pay for the silly over-priced Microsoft office now that Open Office has come so far and is free. I also find it faster than MS Office. It will run on Windows or Linux either one. Years ago it had some rough edges but as I use it now it always works perfectly.
I keep hearing some good things about Windows 7... I may have to buy a copy just to get completely away from $%# VISTA. I would back up to XP but they will be dropping support for it quickly to force people to move to Windows 7 (maybe). If I can get my family tree setup to run properly on Wine (or something like it) then I will just stick with Linux completely. They may even be working on a Linux version of my family tree software now. They are selling a number of new home systems with Linux now (at least on-line and at Wal-Mart) and so most software developers will have to start doing both Windows and Linux to stay in the market.
BTW, I stayed away from Apple due to higher cost on new ones but bought an old iMac to learn a little about OSX. Quite frankly I have not been all that impressed with it especially for the cost. When I use it I always feel a little like I am standing on my head milking a cow. I know that iMAcs are old but my god could that silly round mouse be any more awkward? And why are those open close buttons on Safari so tiny? It is like shooting at flies at long range using a derringer. :D
Maybe it is just me... :)

cv3
03-12-2010, 05:58 PM
My Computer die. I had nursed it along for a number of years but the time came to get a new one last week. The new one has Windows 7. So far I like it. I think there are 3 or 4 Windows 7 editions. I have the home edition. It is different and I am trying to learn to it. My grandsonis a big help. My wifes office is updating to the largest 7 edition. They are finding that with XL they are having trouble interacting with other offices that have moved up to 7. The owner of place where I got my computer told me that most new programs that are in works will not work with older systems in a year or two.